Whether 'tis Nobler...

[doniago]

In my attempts to try to explain the Lyceum to people I feel like I've just made a mess of things. People aren't getting it, quite possibly because I'm not explaining it well. But the worst part is that I feel like people don't _want_ to get it to some degree. I feel like they're reflexively assuming this is some sort of attempt to supplant the EKU when it's nothing of the sort. I've thought about deleting my posts on the SCA LJ Community, I've thought about just freezing them, and I've thought about leaving the community entirely.

And I've also thought about trying to fight the good fight and continue trying to fight what I perceive to be misapprehensions.

What really saddens me? I point out that someone (I have no idea who) started talking up my posting to the Maunche list, and people are more concerned with the fact that I know about this despite being a non-Maunche, and that someone told me about it, than they are with the fact that someone didn't even have the basic courtesy to say "Hey, would you mind if I brought up the Lyceum on the Maunche list to see how people there feel?" Would it have killed someone to do this?

Sigh.

I still think the Lyceum is worth pursuing. I think some people get it. I think more people _could_ get it. I think there's a real chance I'm explaining it badly. I think there's a real chance that some people just won't get it until they have a chance to experience it.

I...I just don't know anymore. But I think it deserves a chance to be tried, and I'll do what I can to give it that chance. Why? Because if it succeeds in what it's trying to do, it could be totally worth it.

As to the SCA Community issue...like I said, I'm tired of playing Sole Defender, but if there are people who genuinely like to hear what I have to say, maybe it's worth it in the end, right?

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Comments

[albreda.livejournal.com]

I think that it is important to hear what folks actually think of the project and concept as they understand it, because I really don't see a single issue on that main thread that doesn't warrant closer examination.

[doniago.livejournal.com]

There were definitely issues raised that warranted closer examination. There were also issues raised where no matter how I tried to explain it it didn't seem like I was getting through (though see a quck-and-dirty analogy I made up below). When you start getting 100 messages in under a day burning out (or at least needing a bit of breathing room) becomes a lot easier.

[albreda.livejournal.com]

I think your analogy is a good one *from the student POV*, but the whole 'who approves the teachers, and how do teachers approve final projects' piece is a potential nightmare.

And I really don't think anyone doesn't understand that you got overwhelmed by the vehement response; I think folks were just a little disappointed that you asked folks to shut it down.

So - breathe. You certainly got folks talking and telling you what they thought - you can go through their answers and think about them when your ears stop bleeding. ;)

[doniago.livejournal.com]

I agree on your first point. That's something that's being discussed in committee.

It wasn't my intention to ask folks to shut it down, but a lot of the responses seemed somewhere between mildly and seriously caustic, and I needed breathing room that I wasn't getting. Too many people seemed to be interpreting things in the worst possible ways, and I can't cover 10 counter-arguments all on my own. Well, I could at my best, but I'm not at my best right now.

Sorry, being a bit of a drama queen. I do that sometimes.

The whole starting a sidebar on the Maunche list without asking me how I'd feel about it first _did_ really irk me.

[albreda.livejournal.com]

Oh - folks were getting steamy, that's for certain. I thought you did a pretty good job fielding it all, but you are most certainly entitled to have limits and reach them.

Folks talk; that's a given. You can't control who talks about a concept or a post, or where they talk about it, so blaming you for folks talking about and then telling you about it is just silly. I understand that you would be frustrated to have the project discussed on a big, but private list where you can not only not respond to it, but also can't even read the discussion, but, like I said, folks can and do talk, and we just don't have control over that, no matter how much we might like to.

[derekl1963.livejournal.com]

As I said before - if you don't want something discussed publicly, don't discuss it publicly.

Don't give me that guff about it being discussed on a 'private' list either. You released the idea into the wild and have no control or reasonable expectation of control over where it discussed subsequently.

[doniago.livejournal.com]

But I do have the right to wish that people had had the courtesy to ask me how I might feel about it being disseminated rather than just going ahead and doing so with apparently little regard for it.

Not that I feel like this whole situation has bit me in the ass or anything.

Oh wait, yes I do.

[derekl1963.livejournal.com]

"But I do have the right to wish that people had had the courtesy to ask me how I might feel about it being disseminated"

You have the right to wish, you don't have the right to get upset when people don't.

You proposed the idea publicly, you have _no_ further rights over where, when, or by who it is discussed. Period.